There have been a number of questions on the use of high stretch or elongation vacuum bag use for overlay compression. In response, I took some pics of the process. This method proves highly effective for curved surface vacuum bag compression. One note is that no process is prefect. You need to pay attention to how the piece is compressed and does not deform. Also, the bag does not easily separate from the target piece and can be lengthy process to remove all bag traces. Pictured below are some overlays of door handle pulls. You will note that there are not any wrinkles or veins caused by the vacuum bag. In this process, I first cut the carbon fiber to the correct size, then I actually used Super 77 to adhere carbon to the piece (this can also be done with just a resin coat on the carbon, but I prefer my approach because I don’t like the chance of messing up the weave). Once resin is applied the overlay piece, place the vacuum bag over it an begin sealing the edges. I usually seal one of the edges in advance and then lay the bag over the piece when ready. Once sealed, apply vacuum and work the surface of the piece to remove any wrinkles that there may be and so that the edges are sealing tightly against the piece. Once the resin has cured, remove the bag and you are ready to move on to the next stage. There are a few choices here. Some folks like to build up layers of their preferred resin, either epoxy or polyester to get depth. I prefer to build layers using auto clear coat because I find that it sands easier, either way will work. Once you get a smooth surface, then you would either need to apply a clear coat in the case of a non-UV stable epoxy or polish the surface to a high gloss. I usually wet sand starting with the highest grit possible, for example a 800 then working my way up to 1500. Then, compound and final buff. Sit back and admire your work.
nice, what strech bag are you using? and what resins can it handle?
Here’s an idea: Make your table like a vacuum former (flat plate with multi holes & a box under where the vacuum pump / shop vacuum is hooked up) so you can place a wet lay up or over laid part, sealant tape (another idea there later…;)) add your film on top and start the vacuuming.
Then you don’t have to mess with a vacuum port thru the bagging each time…plus the table top could have cut or milled slots for the vacumm out air to travel.
I have got to try making one at the classroom with an old vacuum former that I have taking up space…
…man, the old noggin is working over time on this!
I have just got off the phone with my skin packaging supplier (you know, the packaging you have to cut the product off the board) and the thickest of the Surlyn film is 15 mils. It does have an adhesive on 1 side of the film and the board does too. It is heat activated and will hold the part tight as you use heat to the film, cover the item and draw a vacuum to remove atomsphere air out so to apply the atomsphere pressure down to form the plastic sheeting.
Man, that is vacuum bagging in simple terms…
My thinking (way outside of the box here…) is maybe being able to wet lay up an overlaid part, apply peel ply (may not be needed…?) and then skin packing to hold it place until the next day or however long until the resin matrix “B” stages or cures. You don’t need to keep it under vacuum for but a short time to seal it in.
Bondline Products makes a silicone channel and press in plug strips to replace any need of tacky tapes too…
You could set up a plate just for over lays with the vacuum port / box under, have the Bondline channel and line plug, so to lay up 1 or more over lay parts within that plate (the width size of your roll of vacuum bagging), pull the bagging film over, cut and seal fast, turn on the vacuum and walk a way.
I know of surlyn as a reusable vacuum bag for helmets.
thermoform the surylon plastic into the mold itself. apply a torr micro seal and walla, reusuable, reshapable bag.
insert a resin port and you have VIP
no peel ply needed, nothing sticks to it.
Where do you get surlyn? Do you use regular bag tape to attach it to the mould?
do a google for it. orthotics and prosthtics suppliers usually have it. we use a microseal from Torr to get a seal, no sticky tape.
Surlyn film is also the clear film on skin packaging too!
In So. Calif., I use Hannan Products Corp. in Corona (800) 954-4266. They also make their own vacuum packaging systems too.
PS: I think they only stock 20" & 26" width rolls… in 7.5, 10 & 15 mil thickness.
or you could do an envelope and put the whole thing inside and not worry about crushing a delicate part! (wink)
Okay I need some of this stuff…where can I get the high stretch film? Whats it called and who sells it? I have a subwoofer box to do for someone and I dont want to spend so much time doing it. This looks like a much faster process!
Ill look into that as I just got 16 yards of it from Fiberglass supply.
I tried to add it to my airtech order but the idiot I deal with seems to think I need to buy 5 100 yard rolls of it to buy some.