Anyone out there use Hexion 710-2290 VIP Per resins?
A local company, Sher-fab, can get this VIP resin for me and I can’t find any spec’s on it!
Has anyone use it?
Your costs on a 5 gallon pail?
Yes, I already sent them an E-mail but was just looking for others opinion on the resin that may have used it on here.
i will see if any of my suppliers have used it
Thanks DT.
My question to them thru their website:
Requested Information
Inquiry Type: Product / Material Information
Product Family:Composite Resins
Industry:Automotive
Question: Looking for spec’s on 710-2290 VIP PER resin. JM
Their response:
J. McNear, Can I be of any assistance?
Robert Wingfield, Hexion Specialty Chemicals, Business Manager - Western Region, Composite Polymers
So I guess I’ll have reE-mail them or call him with the same question…
product bulletin
ION 710-2290-20 Low Profile RTM/Infusion Resin
[b]revsion: July 2005 [/b]
ProductDescription [b]710-2290-20[/b] is a low profile polyester resin designed for the RTM or Infusion processes.
Features and Benefits
·Good Surface Aesthetics
·One Component, Non Settling
·Lower Laminate Exotherm than Conventional LPA Systems
Suggested Applications
·RTM
·Injection / Infusion
·Cosmetic Surfaces
Typical Properties
Liquid Properties (770F)
Description
Typical Property
Appearance
Pink
Viscosity (cps) Brookfield (LVT#3, 60 rpm) (cps)
200
Gel Time (min.) (1.5% Norox 750)
20.0
Peak Exotherm (0F)
380
Weight Per Gallon (pounds per gallon)
9.0
Non-Volatile Mass (NVM) %
55
Typical Properties
Mechanical Properties
(.125” casting, MEKP-9 @ 770F)
Description
Test Method
Specification
Flexural Strength (psi)
ASTM D-790
9,000
Flexural Modulus (psi)
ASTM D-790
424,000
[b]Tensile Strength (psi)[/b]
ASTM D-638
5,500
Tensile Modulus (psi)
ASTM D-638
418,000
Tensile Elongation (%)
ASTM D-638
2.1
Barcol Hardness (934.1)
ASTM D-2583
33
Heat Deflection Temperature (F)
ASTM D-648
171
[b]SAFETY & HANDLING[/b]
These products are capable of producing adverse health effects ranging from minor skin irritation to serious systemic effects. Exposure to these materials should be minimized and avoided, if feasible, through the observance of proper precautions, use of appropriate engineering controls and proper personal protective clothing and equipment, and adherence to proper handling procedures. None of these materials should be used, stored, or transported until the handling precautions and recommendations as stated in the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for these and all other products being used are understood by all persons who work with them. Questions and request for information on HEXION Specialty Chemicals (HEXION) products should be directed to your HEXION sales representative, or the nearest HEXION sales office. Information and MSDS’s on non-HEXION products should be obtained from the respective manufacturer.
WARRANTY DISCLAIMER
NOTHING CONTAINED HEREIN CONSTITUTES AN OFFER FOR THE SALE OF ANY PRODUCT. ALL PRODUCTS SUPPLIED BY HEXION Specialty Chemicals (HEXION) ARE SUBJECT TO THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE APPLICABLE SALES CONTRACT AND NOTHING CONTAINED HEREIN SHALL AMEND OR MODIFY ANY SUCH CONTRACT. SUBJECT TO THE FOREGOING, HEXION WARRANTS ONLY THAT ITS PRODUCTS WILL MEET SPECIFICATIONS SET FORTH IN THE APPLICABLE SALES CONTRACT. HEXION MAKES NO OTHER WARRANTIES, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, WITH RESPECT TO ITS PRODUCTS OR THE RESULTS TO BE OBTAINED FROM THE USE THEREOF, OR WITH RESPECT TO ANY INFORMATION PROVIDED BY HEXION, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THAT ANY PRODUCT WILL BE MERCHANTABLE OR FIT FOR ANY PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR THAT THE USE OF ANY PRODUCT OR INFORMATION PROVIDED BY HEXION WILL NOT INFRINGE ANY PATENT OR OTHER INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS. ALL SUCH WARRANTIES ARE HEREBY DISCLAIMED AND EXCLUDED.
[CENTER]HEXION 710-2290-20
[/CENTER]
More information from “SUNDAY” no less:
Not familiar with the Sher-Fab boys but if that works out great. Hexion is the result of the merger of the old Cargill/McWhorter polyester/vinyl ester business, the Shell epoxy business and Borden Chemical phenolic resin business. I take care of the polyester/vinyl ester segment for the west coast.
Our distributors out here in Southern are Composites One, PMI (Plastic Materials Inc.). RevChem, Ashland FRP, Fiberglass Services and Diversified Materials.
We make a full line of product with emphasis on the specialty side. The 710-2290 infusion resin is great for cosmetics. We are working on a second generation product in R&D and I’ll let you know when its available.
I started in this business in 1969 and like to help old hands like yourself that are out there developing new stuff. Makes the business fun.
I am going to order a 5 gallon pail of that and give it a try. Mine is gassing still too much.
Id love to find a new infusion resin that I can use over the texallium.
The CCP shit I have sucks…if you have the slightest bridging…it goes brown/gold on you in a second.
Ive thrown more parts out due to that than anything else Ive tossed stuff for.
Id love to see how this stuff will work…and it being a VER…shouldnt it be resistant to fuels?
Keep me posted Werks…this is something Im seriously interested in. I HAVE TO CHANGE when this 55 of CCW is done…I cant take anymore of it.
its a PER not a VER
I hope this works (well, that didn’t, so…), but here’s the Hexion fact sheets on this PER VIP resin:
product bulletin
Low Profile RTM/lnfusion Resin
Issued: July 2005
Product 710-2290-20 is a low profile polyester resin designed for the RTM or Infusion Description processes.
[LEFT]
[/LEFT]
Features and
Benefits
Suggested Applications
. Good Surface Aesthetics
. One Component, Non Settling
. Lower Laminate Exotherm than Conventional LPA Systems
. RTM
. Injection !Infusion . Cosmetic Surfaces
[LEFT]
[/LEFT]
Typical Properties
Liquid Properties (77’iJF)
Description
Appearance
Viscosity (cps) Brookfield (LVT#3, 60 rpm) (cps) Gel Time (min.). (1.5% Norox 750)
Peak Exotherm (oF)
Weight Per Gallon (pounds per gallon) Non-Volatile Mass (NVM) %
[RIGHT]Typical Property[/RIGHT]
Pink
200
20.0
380
9.0
55
Specialty Chemicals
[LEFT]
[/LEFT]
Typical Mechanical Properties
Properties (.125" casting, MEKP-9 @ 77°F)
Description
[LEFT] [/LEFT]
Flexural Strength (psi)
ASTM D-790
[RIGHT][RIGHT]9,000[/RIGHT][/RIGHT]
Flexural Modulus (psi)
ASTM D-790
[RIGHT][RIGHT]424,000[/RIGHT][/RIGHT]
Tensile Strength (psi)
ASTM D-638
[RIGHT][RIGHT]5,500[/RIGHT][/RIGHT]
Tensile Modulus (psi)
ASTM D-638
[RIGHT][RIGHT]418,000[/RIGHT][/RIGHT]
Tensile Elongation (%)
ASTM 0-638
[RIGHT][RIGHT]2.1[/RIGHT][/RIGHT]
Barcol Hardness (934.1)
ASTM 0-2583
[RIGHT][RIGHT]33[/RIGHT][/RIGHT]
Heat Deflection Temperature (F)
ASTM D-648
[RIGHT][RIGHT]171[/RIGHT][/RIGHT]
[LEFT] [/LEFT]
Test Method
[LEFT] [/LEFT]
Specification
[LEFT] [/LEFT]
SAFETY & HANDLING
These products are capable of producing adverse health effects ranging from minor skin irritation to serious systemic effects. Exposure to these materials should be minimized and avoided, if feasible, through the observance of proper precautions, use of appropriate engineering controls and proper personal protective clothing and equipment, and adherence to proper handling procedures. None of these materials should be used, stored, or transported until the handling precautions and recommendations as stated in the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for these and all other products being used are understood by all persons who work with them. Questions and request for information on HEXION Specialty Chemicals (HEXION) products should be directed to your HEXION sales representative. or the nearest HEXION sales office. Information and MSDS’s on non-HEXION products should be obtained from the respective manufacturer.
[LEFT] [/LEFT]
WARRANTY DISCLAIMER
NOTHING CONTAINED HEREIN CONSTITUTES AN OFFER FOR THE SALE OF ANY PRODUCT. ALL PRODUCTS SUPPLIED BY HEXION Specialty Chemicals (HEXION) ARE SUBJECT TO THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE APPLICABLE SALES CONTRACT AND NOTHING CONTAINED HEREIN SHALL AMEND OR MODIFY ANY SUCH CONTRACT. SUBJECT TO THE FOREGOING, HEXION WARRANTS ONLY THAT ITS PRODUCTS WILL MEET SPECIFICATIONS SET FORTH IN THE APPLICABLE SALES CONTRACT. HEXION MAKES NO OTHER WARRANTIES, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, WITH RESPECT TO ITS PRODUCTS OR THE RESULTS TO BE OBTAINED FROM THE USE THEREOF, OR WITH RESPECT TO ANY INFORMATION PROVIDED BY HEXION, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THAT ANY PRODUCT WILL BE MERCHANTABLE OR FIT FOR ANY PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR THAT THE USE OF ANY PRODUCT OR INFORMATION PROVIDED BY HEXION WILL NOT INFRINGE ANY PATENT OR OTHER INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS. ALL SUCH WARRANTIES ARE HEREBY DISCLAIMED AND EXCLUDED.
[LEFT]
[/LEFT]
!HEX.ON 71 0-2290-2~
well when someone uses it…let me know how it works on tex…with some bridging.
That CCP stuff will turn silver tex gold with a tiny amount of bridging.
I dont want to use the surfboard clear resin…its too thick and you have to thin it with styrene and that causes yellowing by itself.
i have 5 gallons coming but I don’t use texilum really at all
Really? I haven’t had an issue with styrene turning surf resin yellow.
I had it happen to me…I added about 20% by weight wich is off the charts according to my supplier.
I made a test panel and it had a very miniscule tint to it. I could tell it was off but most people couldnt see it. IM DECIDEDLY WAY TOO ANAL ABOUT COLOR
Anyways it sat in the sun and it turned yellow on me…not bad but when you use the silver tex…it shows everything. I mean EVERYTHING
My supplier is supposed to be finding me something that I can infuse with that is clear or seeing if the surf resin can be formulated for infusion.
Well see.
Dual Twill…make a test panel with some clear gel coat and put something like a pebble of sand or something down before you lay in a small piece of tex…see what the resin does when it has to fill in the void made by it…easy way to make bridging happen.
wow 20% by weight? how much is that by volume? when I thin my resin, it’s about 10-15% by volume. It definitely infuses slower than the CCP stuff, but works adequately. It remains very clear.
come on perf…how the hell am I gonna go by volume? I dont use mixing cups…I use dixie cups.
I just put it on the scale and add 20%
it sucks…
Maybe I can try some more test panels of my own.
Lol… Walmart has some $0.74 graduated paint cups in the paint section. I’m sure your local auto paint jobber has something that will work well also ;).
or
Get yourself a gallon jug, put in 100 ounces of surf resin and 12-15 ounces of styrene. BAM! instant infusion resin.
I did some quick calculations for you.
5 fl oz of surf resin is about in weight 6 oz
5 fl oz of styrene is about 4.5 oz in weight
to acheive a 15% mix by volume, you will need to mix approximately 11% by weight
hahaahahah…sorry man I just saw you on a food network tv show crossed up with spike powerblock tv!
Maybe I should try that…
I dont have enough surf resin right now to try it and I dont want to buy it just yet. I still need to get rid of the last 15 gallons of my CCW STUFF…
I wont be using that anymore.