CF/Kevlar motorcycle tank guidance

Greetings,
I am embarking on a maiden voyage into the world of composites. I plan on making a tank for my bike as well as a few other smaller aesthetic trimmings. The questions I have are about materials and technique ideas.

Materials: I will be purchasing my carbon and Kevlar and resin from US composites as they seem to have very good prices.
I have been doing some research about what resins can hold up to ethanol. It seems that only 700 vinyl ester and novalac are my options. Can’t find novalac however, US composites carries 700 vinyl ester. Your thoughts and opinions on these two products is greatly welcomed.
*When the tank is finished I will line the interior with a tank liner from Caswell.
Technique:
I plan on using the existing steel fuel tank as the plug with simple glass mat or shredded for the two piece mold (top and bottom).
-should I use a less expensive, more common resin for this part?
-how many layers of glass?
After the mold is done I will use the cf and Kevlar. The goal is to have a pleasing, glossy cf look.
-how many layers and in what order?
And lastly, after I have the two halves finished, what is the best way to bond them? 404 filler or something like that? (Must be gasoline resistant)
-mechanically what is the best way? Leave a lip on both halves to “sandwich” them together with little clamps, then cut off the excess? Tongue and groove? Simply overlap the top half?

Sorry for so many questions at once but I am very excited to start learning about composites. I look forward to your responses. :slight_smile:

Just used the search function and as far as the resins used for gas there is much for me to read over, so feel free to skip that part of my questions.

Memper,

Quick question… When it comes to materials, thickness, and technique of the layup schedule of your molds, what do you plan on doing with it all once you’ve made the piece(s) for your bike? Are you considering going into a “production” with the piece, or are you just going to keep it a one-off for your own bike as a hobby?

-Corban

One off (hopefully I can succeed the first time around).

As it stands there is no resin system that can withstand EtOH(based on my research). You will need a resin suitable for the wetting the reinforcement and then a different lining material to stand up to the EtOH additives.

http://www.compositescentral.com/showthread.php?t=7588

Contact these people regarding a suitable liner material.

http://www.ppg.com/coatings/aerospace/coatings/coatingsproducts/Documents/Epoxy_Polyamide_Corrosion_Preventative_Primer_Coating_515X346.pdf

Keep us posted on your venture.

Hey memper, where in NY. I’m in Brooklyn and and going to start doing tanks too! Maybe we can work together.

I am in Bed Stuy. But as there seems to be no system that is good with ethanol I am weary. Tank liners aren’t fool proof and what if you miss a spot while sloshing. Besides, I need to save my cash for FCR flatslides(!)

Well we’re close - kinda I’m in Bensonhurst. - there’s gotta be a better way than a liner. I know of multiple guys making true CF tanks and hold fuel just fine… But leu me know if you’d like to get together towards the end of the month - perhaps we can shoot some idea around…

I have made my own fuel tanks for my Aprilia. I am using a Phenol Novolac resin that has been reccomended sourced locally here in the UK. Remember to have a compatable adhesive to bond the tank body and base together too… I have had to make my own adhesive to make it work and although is a lot more effort it is worth it in peace of mind…


@morepower
can you give us a link for online shopping of the Phenol Novolac resin? i’m in the process of making a tank for my kawasaki zx10r :smiley:

http://www.caswellplating.com/restoration-aids/epoxy-gas-tank-sealer.html

Would you mind sharing how you made your own adhesive?

Sorry… I spent a lot of time with a few people and companies looking into bonding the tank together and it being ethanol safe too… Using the Phenol Novolac resin is a good sealer but the problem was finding an adhesive to be both compatable with it and ethanol proof too. This has taken 12 months to find out and fully research how to get both a good compatable bond and the correct ingredients to make the adhesive. Part if it is using base stocks from several sources and then the correct ratios to have the right properties. It is not the nicest job either… I can make some up and supply it but this is the one thing I do need to keep to myself…