ARG! Why did I think this would be easy?

OHHH…so your NOT supposed to try to cut the exact shape you want in the CF fabric…
I just hope all this stuff gets done so I KNOW I can do this without messing something up big…like skin irratation, dieing from the epoxy fumes, etc etc etc…
Yeah, I get paranoid…
:oops:

How many layers of 5.7oz 2x2 twill 3k do you think it will take to have the same vertical strength as 1/4" thick 3"x6" aluminum plate? (ie: the panel is straight up and down as a mounting bracket), 2 bolts on rear, 1 bolt up front with the weight (~4lbs)

1/4" thick? I’d say about 1/3-1/2" inch thick based on the data I have on the strength of aluminum and CF. That’s also provided you use epoxy resin and use a technique that does not keep too much resin in the finished piece. Too much resin will make it brittle. How many layers is that? I’m not quite sure because I’ve never built up that thick without a core material. A supplier like fiberglast or us composites might be able to answer better than any of us. Fiberglast lists their 5.7oz 3k 2x2 twill as being .012" thick. So being just fabric, that’d be 27 layer for 1/3" and 42 layers for 1/2". I’d get at least two yards, and viewing the layup guide below arrange it so you cut a row of 0 degree pieces, then a row of 45 degree pieces. Anything that calls for 90 degrees

While it’ll be thicker than the aluminum piece, it should also be lighter. While it might be appealing to just buy 4" bidirerectional carbon fiber tape, I’d go with a yard or two of bidirectional cloth. That way you can cut out a couple of 4x7 pieces of cloth and you can alternate weave pattern per layer.

first layer - weave at 0 degrees (weave up and down)
second layer - weave at 45 degrees (weave diagonally)
third layer - 0 degrees
fourth layer - 45 degrees in the opposite direction of 2nd layer
fifth layer - same as first, etc and end with a layer at 0 degrees.

And of course, YMMV and follow this at your own risk since I don’t know what the part is for.

Well… Joseph pretty much said it all so I’ll just add a few minor things.

Since your carbon plate has to be pretty thick, I’d go 2x2 twill on top with 8-9oz 3x3 plain weave in the middle. And if you don’t have an autoclave or at least a vacuum pump to suck out the excess resin, I would not try and make the plate at all. Too much resin to cloth ratio and you’ll get what Joseph had mentioned.

Evan

hahaha…wow, you both just told me what I did not EVER want to hear…
1/2"??!? I thought that CF was so much better with things like this?
Or is that why God invented Titanium, for loadbearing stuff, and leave the CF to cover things?

blink
sigh

Wait a sec…looking at some #'s here…
CF has a tensile strength of 170kpsi, while Al is 70kpsi., and the CF has a higher Modulus…

So wouldn’t that mean that a vaccum bagged piece the same size, be MUCH stronger???
Or are the numbers (from Fibreglast website’s learning center) just numbers and have less meaning than I thought???

See? http://www.skgastonia.com/shopping/product_info.php/cPath/37_38_64/products_id/143

It is clearly not 1/2" thick.

If the headlight is the only thing that the plate has to support then no you will not need to make it 1/2" thick. I think Joseph and I thought the strength requirement is much higher than that. Anyway, if you’re trying to make the same piece for your bike, you can do about 7-10 layers of carbon. I just made a plate with 5 layers of carbon and I think even that is strong enough but it might be pushing it. You might also want to reinforce the areas where the bolts go with some kevlar as well.

Evan

Actually, I did goof. I ended up looking up the stats for aramid instead of carbon. As far as thickness goes, you can get away with a thinner piece if you give it a slight curve. Flat pieces will always require more reinforcement to be as strong as a piece with a slight curve.

Evan, if he does the weave in the pattern I suggested, he shouldn’t have to reinforce the bolt holes as they should be able to deal with the off axis forces without too many problems.

Gezz, you scared the hell out of me!!!
Maybe a folded piece as a rib might work as some lateral strengthening, don’t you think?
I was going to reinforce the bolt hole anyway…
wheoo…

I can breathe now :slight_smile:
Thanks!