Aquacore trials....

Well, we got a 5gal bucket of Aquacore before I left ARA, so I got to play with it a bit.

1: It’s wet sand. needless to say, it isn’t easy to work with wet sand. You basiclly scoop it out into a mastermold, and compact it.
Which, isn’t that easy.
2: I did a simple dome part from a coffee mug I had laying around. When you push it down, the sides squirt up. Fun.
I applied a full 29" vacuum to the top part of the aquacore, and when I tried to take it out, it STILL almost crumbled.
3: You have to dry it in an oven, open. Else if I left it in the mug to dry, ONLY the top would have dried!!! I tried a more complex shape as well (vacuum cleaner attachment), and the middle was still wet after 3 hours at 250f. I ended up making a 2 piece mold out of the attachment (much to my boss’s displeasure)
4: the stuff gets EVERYWHERE. like I said…wet sand.
5: made some solid molds out of the core, and it’s very very granular, so don’t expect a perfect surface…I believe they make another product for that, along with a sealer. See below!!
6: First layer is always a pain, since the prepreg doesn’t stick well to a dry sandy surface…like mold foam. Oi.
7: it is VERY fragile when dry!!! You rub it with your finger, and it will abrade down. Which means, it is EASY to machine with anything. Finger, sandpaper, pen, etc.
8: If you don’t use a surface coat and sealer, resin will obviously creep into the aquacore…it is VERY VERY porous.
9: it washes out easily as they say. Put it in some water, and it just disolves out, like wet sand.
10: closed molds, like a pressure vessel, ain’t easy to wash out through a 1/4" NPT nipple…that took about 3 hours to wash out.
11: as in #8, it means that when doing a 3 layer pressure vessle, the CF part will be porous, I now have a carbon fiber plant waterer…or a leaky pressure canister. yeah.
12: Aquacore is porous, the resin will seep into the core when curing, whiiiiich means, the inside will be a layer of aquacore and resin!!! Which means more weight, and a rough surface inside.

can’t think of anything else right now.
Yeah, the stuff is great for complex parts if you can machine and seal it! The things I experimented on (dome shape, vacuum attachment, and pressure canister shape) didn’t go as well as expected. I had to deal with drying issues, leaving a layer of sandy aquacore on the inside of the part, and fragile aquacore parts.

hey there, I’ve been working with that stuff as well for some time now, and yes, I too think it’s a PITA to work with it (or better ask my intern :rolleyes: ) but the possibilities are mindbotteling…and yes there is a matching sealer product from the same company, kind of a sprayable (and later water soluble) rubber glove…gotta put quite some thickness/layers on that it seals right, especially for a vacuum infusion…and I have not really seen it dissolving quickly or voluntary yet, at least not if it was inside an infused part…I really hope to get this stuff to work because the idea is ingenious and could be a big leap forward…I mean they did showcase some pretty impressive parts (hollow!), but it has yet to get easier to handle! btw the company pretty much recommends heat shrink tubing or teflon tape instead of their sealer! :wink:

Is it pourable into something like a silicone mold?

that would be the sister product AQUAPOUR, basically the same thing just mix with water and have a slurry rather then sand…just a matter of drying that water out again, I would anticipate that’s gonna be even harder to accomplish then with AQUACORE…they always show the example of a hollow cf bike wheel that they’ve done with AQUAPOUR (or so they claim :cool: ) check out www.acrtucson.com

Thanks.

Its been a while since Ive been to their site. Was unaware there were two separate products. To me it seems that a silicone mold is the only way to use this stuff.

I guess you prefer silicon release-wise? actually any half way sturdy mold material would work as long as it can take the drying heat (~150F?!) and you have a can of PAM cooking spray at hand, that does the release trick! I’m actually on the brink of making new molds for our aquacore project, checking material choices at the moment…

Yeha, I did one test with teflon, but that ended up being even MORE of a pain to layup the first layer!! I’m sure if I had more time/other materials it would have worked. I couldn’t think of anything I wanted to mold that I could get away with doing there.
My last test was a 10x8x6 block they were going to machine for use in a carbon fiber horn antenna, but they havent machined the block as of this past weekend!!

Aquapour sounds more fun.

Man I seriously doubt that bike wheel thing…Im having a hard time trying to figure out how you can lay up a bike wheel like that as it has to be in sections and have it strong enough.

I know I aint man enough to try it…I wish I was though.

after reading all the new stuff that is out I feel like I am in the stone age in manufacturing

Check out compositesworld.com

:slight_smile:

Not that hard. As long as you mold it right, and lay up the fabric correctly. Come on, the 787 is 70% composites! Osprey(sp?) rotor blades are all carbon. Think of the stresses in there.
It’s all about years of research and prototyping, until you got it right.

Thing with Aquacore is, you can implant metal housings if you need, and then layup over it all.

OH YEAH!!!

it will clog your drain!!!

wash it out in a bucket first, then let the water dry up :wink:

Ouch! I think you just saved me money though.

I should have figured there would have been issues. I think the drain is fine now, but not when I was trying to clean out a pound of it!

the stuff is easy to bucket wash though, just let it settle, dump the water, and trashcan the mush.