you dont need a release film to remove the flow medium. A good green nylon released peel ply works perfect. no reason to add another layer in my opinion, more cost, more steps. only reason to use a release film is if you dont want to use peel ply
hojo, the problem is that there is a lot of resin buildup on the infusion mesh and just because the mesh adheres to the peelply, the final system (mesh-peelply) is very stiff to remove easily from the laminate. Perhaps in a more flat part the job would be easier but in my part it’s impossible…
I understand your problem. The solution is the proper peel ply, or release film that Herman suggested. You are probably using a “Natural” peel ply, this is not suitable.
If you want to glue something at the peel ply surface you have to be carful with coated peel plys. You can also use a perforated film between peel ply and mesh. I have never had problems with this method. In very small corners it is easier to remove than the green peel ply without a perforated film. At bigger parts the green one is perfect because it is one step less preparing the infusion.
Dependig on resin type you maybe able to salvage the part by using a heat gun to bring the resin up to it’s hdt and using a flat tool or pliers to prise/peel it off, but maybe more hassle than it’s worth.
I use an orange perf film I think its an aerovac or airtech product , can’t remember which one.
Such a shame mate. Have you tried running a stanly knife down the mesh and try pulling it off in strips any thing worth a go to save a part
if you don’t fully trust perf film, you can just put it in small areas, like just the deepest part, or edges. I did that with a 1" core block in a laminate. First time it was impossible to get off. next time I put the film ONLY around the blocks. Boom.
If you dont use the perforated film completely you might have problems with the resinflow. It is the same problem when the perforated film is layed in two layers because than the holes are closed by the second layer.
The problem can be some pinholes in the surface where the film is partially used.
I keep myself away from knives the last days because i went to hospital and gained one stitch in my finger after playing with a knife trying to remove this stuff. :mad:
hojo, if i understood correctly, you recommend a nylon peel ply which does not adhere to the infusion mesh (flow medium)?
And where can i find this type of peel ply? Thanks!
Has anyone used the Compoflex RF product?
It sounds like a perfect solution, not only easier to remove but reducing also the time to prepare the whole setup as you put this (1 step) instead of peelply, perf.film and infusion mesh (3 steps).
The only thing making me a bit sceptical is the last commect on their website:
“Important: Due to the microporous surface of the Compoflex®, more and/or bigger valves may need to be installed depending on laminate size and thickness.”
http://www.fibertex.com/en-GB/business-areas/Composites/Compoflex/Products/Pages/VacuumInfusion.aspx
Maybe this means that the flow is a bit restricted compared with the traditional setup?
contacting for samples now
This may seem like a dumb question, but why is the part so resin rich? The advice in the above posts are good, you def need to add perf release but on the other side, don’t assume that if the release is in there the job will be much more easier to peel out the flow media. If you are drawing to much resin into the part and not clamping off at the right time, depending on the size of the part, where the lines are placed etc…can all add to the job of getting it out of the mould and having a usable piece.
Let the vacuum do the work for you…
If you are not going to be doing any secondary bonding, is it ok to use a coated peel ply for infusion? Ive never done it because Ive always been worried that it would cause problems.
Than it is no problem. Most of the coated peel plys are coated with teflon or something similar. Sometimes the coatings stays on the part insted of peeling of with the peelply, thats why it might be a problem for a secondary bonding.
Where can i find the coated peelply?
I added an article in the archives about this exact topic as it relates to bonding. Worth the read.
Link to topic.
It is an excellent read.
http://www.compositescentral.com/showthread.php?p=34017#post34017
I use a coated peel ply. Then do secondary bonding. I always prep the bond area with acetone. My bonds are always very solid. The peel ply i use is purple in color and its from richmond. The data sheet said it was fine for secondary bonding. The natural stuff would be hell to remove from my parts. Most likely damaging them.